{"id":923,"date":"2018-11-21T12:22:54","date_gmt":"2018-11-21T12:22:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mipon.org\/?p=923"},"modified":"2019-07-04T14:23:44","modified_gmt":"2019-07-04T14:23:44","slug":"origen-goku-dragon-ball-minus","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mipon.org\/es\/origen-goku-dragon-ball-minus\/","title":{"rendered":"\u00bfPor qu\u00e9 Goku se ve como un ni\u00f1o y no como un beb\u00e9 en Dragon Ball Super:Broly?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Dejame adivinar, ya viste la nueva pel\u00edcula (que por cierto esta \u00e9pica) de Dragon Ball Super: Broly y te hiciste la siguiente pregunta: <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><span class=\"wpe-Highlight\">Goku llega a la tierra siendo un ni\u00f1o, entonces \u00bfpor qu\u00e9 se ve m\u00e1s grande o est\u00e1 portando la armadura sayajin al inicio de la pel\u00edcula de DB:Broly?<\/span> <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Entonces est\u00e1s en el post indicado, aqu\u00ed te contestar\u00e9 esa pregunta y m\u00e1s. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Y recuerda que nada de teor\u00edas y suposiciones, solo informaci\u00f3n oficial.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2217 dcll-image dcll-placeholder\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciIHZpZXdCb3g9IjAgMCAxMDAwIDEwMDAiPjwvc3ZnPg==\" data-src=\"https:\/\/img.mipon.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/04033322\/goku-baby.jpg\" style=\"background: #566472;\" alt=\"\" width=\"1000\" height=\"1000\" \/><noscript><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2217\" src=\"https:\/\/img.mipon.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/04033322\/goku-baby.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1000\" height=\"1000\" \/><\/noscript>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Empecemos. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Me gustar\u00eda aclararte dos puntos sumamente vitales antes de decirte te explicarte la raz\u00f3n por la que Goku se ve m\u00e1s grande y portando la armadura en la c\u00e1psula. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"%C2%BFQue_es_canon_y_no_canon_en_el_universo_de_Dragon_Ball\"><\/span>\u00bfQu\u00e9 es canon y no canon en el universo de Dragon Ball?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Canon es todo aquello que es aceptado como parte de la historia oficial. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">En Dragon Ball y en varias animes, canon se considera todo lo que fue creado por el autor original, en este caso Akira Toriyama. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"wpe-Highlight\" style=\"font-weight: 400;\">El maestro Toriyama al ser creador del manga de Jaco The Patrolman, Dragon Ball y Dragon Ball Z es lo \u00fanico que se considerada cien por ciento canon en el universo DB.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">El anime de DB y DBZ son <\/span><b>basados <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">en el manga de Toriyama. Toei Animation fue el encargado de <\/span><b>adaptar <\/b><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">dicho manga al anime.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Para el caso de Dragon Ball Super es un poco m\u00e1s complicado de explicar, para este <\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Toriyama solo redacto los puntos m\u00e1s importantes (outline)<\/span><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> de Super. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Por eso es que hay dos versiones de Dragon Ball Super, el manga creada por <\/span><a href=\"https:\/\/mipon.org\/es\/quien-es-toyotaro-dragon-ball\/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Toyotaro<\/span><\/a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> y el anime creado por Toei Animation. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<div class=\"mceTemp\"><\/div>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-large wp-image-3980\" src=\"https:\/\/img.mipon.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/29132612\/Vegeta-beyond-blue_Goku_blue_kaioken-1-1024x576.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"800\" height=\"450\" srcset=\"https:\/\/img.mipon.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/29132612\/Vegeta-beyond-blue_Goku_blue_kaioken-1-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/img.mipon.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/29132612\/Vegeta-beyond-blue_Goku_blue_kaioken-1-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/img.mipon.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/29132612\/Vegeta-beyond-blue_Goku_blue_kaioken-1-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/img.mipon.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/05\/29132612\/Vegeta-beyond-blue_Goku_blue_kaioken-1.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 800px) 100vw, 800px\" \/>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ambas versiones, no pueden ser consideradas 100% canon. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Solo el gui\u00f3n escrito por Toriyama es 100% canon pero dicho documento no ha sido publicado.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>En el caso de la pel\u00edcula de Dragon Ball Super: Broly tambi\u00e9n es canon ya que Toriyama es quien est\u00e1 creando la historia.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"><strong>Dragon Ball GT, a\u00fan no hay respuesta oficial si es canon o no.<\/strong> Si buscas en internet solo encontrar\u00e1s teor\u00edas y suposiciones (recuerda que yo no hablo de teor\u00edas).<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Las pel\u00edculas (entre ellas la trilog\u00eda de Broly), ovas y videojuegos tampoco no son canon y mucho menos todo lo relacionado a Dragon Ball Heroes.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">En el caso de las pel\u00edculas la Batalla de los Dioses y Resurrecci\u00f3n de Freezer al ser el gui\u00f3n creado por Toriyama eran consideradas canon, pero Dragon Ball Super las reescribi\u00f3 y ahora ya no son canon. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"wpe-Highlight\" style=\"font-weight: 400;\">En resumen lo \u00fanico canon:<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Manga de Jaco The Patrolman<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Manga de Dragon Ball<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">MangaDragon Ball Z <\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Gui\u00f3n Dragon Ball Super<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">La nueva pel\u00edcula de Broly<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">(Pronto escribir\u00e9 un post explicando con m\u00e1s detalle canon y no canon en Dragon Ball pero por ahora con lo anterior ser\u00e1 suficiente)<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Dragon_Ball_Minus\"><\/span><b>Dragon Ball Minus<\/b><span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Es un peque\u00f1o cap\u00edtulo dentro del manga de Jaco the Patrolman que habla principalmente sobre Bardock, Gine(la mam\u00e1 de Goku) y Goku. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">\u00bfRecuerdas la escena donde Bardock abraza a Gine y se despiden de Kakarotto?<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2207 dcll-image dcll-placeholder\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciIHZpZXdCb3g9IjAgMCAxNDQwIDc4MSI+PC9zdmc+\" data-src=\"https:\/\/img.mipon.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/04033327\/bardock_gine.jpg\" style=\"background: #3d1e25;\" alt=\"Bardock and Gine \" width=\"1440\" height=\"781\" \/><noscript><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2207\" src=\"https:\/\/img.mipon.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/04033327\/bardock_gine.jpg\" alt=\"Bardock and Gine \" width=\"1440\" height=\"781\" \/><\/noscript>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Esa escena proviene de Dragon Ball Minus. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">El manga de Jaco The Patrolman (incluye Dragon Ball Minus) al ser creado por Akira Toriyama es considerado cien por ciento canon. <\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">De hecho, la escena de Goku con la armadura no es nada nueva ya que originalmente fue publicada en el 2014. \u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Aqu\u00ed te dejo otra imagen del manga.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2213 dcll-image dcll-placeholder\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciIHZpZXdCb3g9IjAgMCA4MzYgNzk4Ij48L3N2Zz4=\" data-src=\"https:\/\/img.mipon.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/04033324\/dragon-ball-minus.jpg\" style=\"background: #c5c5c5;\" alt=\"\" width=\"836\" height=\"798\" \/><noscript><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2213\" src=\"https:\/\/img.mipon.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/04033324\/dragon-ball-minus.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"836\" height=\"798\" \/><\/noscript>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Que bueno que ya le\u00edste hasta aqu\u00ed, era necesario que te explicar\u00e1 lo anterior para poder darte la respuesta de porque Goku se ve m\u00e1s grande y portando la armadura saiyajin en el trailer de Dragon Ball Super: Broly.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Te prometo que el siguiente p\u00e1rrafo te doy la respuesta.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h2><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"Origen_de_Goku\"><\/span><b>Origen de Goku<\/b><span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h2>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Hay dos momentos en los que vemos a Goku como bebe, el primero es en un episodio del ANIME de Dragon Ball Z donde el maestro Roshi relata la historia que Son Gohan (abuelo adoptivo de Goku) le cont\u00f3 sobre el origen de Goku.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2215 dcll-image dcll-placeholder\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciIHZpZXdCb3g9IjAgMCAxODk0IDYzNCI+PC9zdmc+\" data-src=\"https:\/\/img.mipon.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/04033323\/maestro-roshi_historia-goku.jpg\" style=\"background: #cecece;\" alt=\"\" width=\"1894\" height=\"634\" \/><noscript><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2215\" src=\"https:\/\/img.mipon.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/04033323\/maestro-roshi_historia-goku.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1894\" height=\"634\" \/><\/noscript>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2211 dcll-image dcll-placeholder\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciIHZpZXdCb3g9IjAgMCAxMTg4IDg5OCI+PC9zdmc+\" data-src=\"https:\/\/img.mipon.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/04033325\/son-gohan_goku.jpg\" style=\"background: #667e6a;\" alt=\"Son Gohan hugging Goku\" width=\"1188\" height=\"898\" \/><noscript><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2211\" src=\"https:\/\/img.mipon.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/04033325\/son-gohan_goku.jpg\" alt=\"Son Gohan hugging Goku\" width=\"1188\" height=\"898\" \/><\/noscript>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>El segundo momento es en la OVA de Bardock, donde tambi\u00e9n vemos a Goku de bebe.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2205 dcll-image dcll-placeholder\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml;base64,PHN2ZyB4bWxucz0iaHR0cDovL3d3dy53My5vcmcvMjAwMC9zdmciIHZpZXdCb3g9IjAgMCAxMTg3IDkwMCI+PC9zdmc+\" data-src=\"https:\/\/img.mipon.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/04033328\/baby-goku_crying.jpg\" style=\"background: #7b8283;\" alt=\"Baby goky crying\" width=\"1187\" height=\"900\" \/><noscript><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-2205\" src=\"https:\/\/img.mipon.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/01\/04033328\/baby-goku_crying.jpg\" alt=\"Baby goky crying\" width=\"1187\" height=\"900\" \/><\/noscript>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"wpe-Highlight\">Ambas escenas son material EXCLUSIVO del anime y no fueron escritas por Toriyama.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Est\u00e1s escenas fueron CREADAS por Toei Animation, por lo que Akira Toriyama NUNCA dijo que Goku llegaba a la tierra como un beb\u00e9.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"%C2%BFEntonces_porque_se_ve_como_un_nino_en_la_nueva_pelicula\"><\/span>\u00bfEntonces porque se ve como un ni\u00f1o en la nueva pel\u00edcula?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Pues por que Toriyama decide contar por PRIMERA VEZ el origen de Goku como un ni\u00f1o que llega a la tierra. As\u00ed de sencillo.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<h3><span class=\"ez-toc-section\" id=\"%C2%BFFue_error_de_Toei_Animation_el_haber_dicho_que_Goku_era_un_nino\"><\/span>\u00bfFue error de Toei Animation el haber dicho que Goku era un ni\u00f1o?<span class=\"ez-toc-section-end\"><\/span><\/h3>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>No, ya que Toei simplemente adapto el manga y a\u00f1adi\u00f3 ciertas escenas al anime. Fue hace muchos muchos a\u00f1os y probablemente Toriyama no se hab\u00eda decidido como contar el origen de Goku.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Opini\u00f3n:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>He le\u00eddo muchos comentarios, principalmente en Reddit y YouTube, de usuarios escribiendo quejas a <a href=\"https:\/\/mipon.org\/es\/bird-studio-akira-toriyama\/\">Toriyama<\/a> por reescribir la historia sobre el origen de Goku.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Primero, ver a Goku portando la armadura como ni\u00f1o no es algo nuevo. Toriyama cre\u00f3 la escena hace cuatro a\u00f1os en el manga de Jaco.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Segundo, Toriyama nunca dibuj\u00f3 en el manga a Goku como un beb\u00e9 cuando llega a la tierra. No podemos reclamar o quejarnos por algo que el autor nunca escribi\u00f3.<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"wpe-Highlight\">Esto no es retcon(inconsistencia) ni un error de Dragon Ball.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Estamos a punto de ver una pel\u00edcula sobre el origen de los saiyajin \u00bfcu\u00e1ntos a\u00f1os tuvieron que pasar para este gran momento?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>A disfrutar y dejar de quejarse con Akira que no se tiene la culpa (es en serio, no esta reescribiendo la historia).<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>Por \u00faltimo,\u00a0 \u00bfte hubiera gustado que Toriyama se apegue a la versi\u00f3n de Toei Animation?<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Dejame adivinar, ya viste la nueva pel\u00edcula (que por cierto esta \u00e9pica) de Dragon Ball Super: Broly y te hiciste la siguiente pregunta: &nbsp; Goku llega a la tierra siendo un ni\u00f1o, entonces \u00bfpor qu\u00e9 se ve m\u00e1s grande o<a href=\"https:\/\/mipon.org\/es\/origen-goku-dragon-ball-minus\/\"> read more&#8230;<i class=\"fab\"><\/i><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":7,"featured_media":3380,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[264],"tags":[417],"class_list":["post-923","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-articulos","tag-dragon-ball"],"acf":[],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO Premium plugin v21.0 (Yoast SEO v21.0) - 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